Brett Scott Ā 00:00
All right. Welcome back to the barbell therapy podcast. I am your host, Dr. Brett Scott. And with me here today is Dr. Kim blown Mo. And she is a doctor Kimble, almost slash to be Dr. Norton, just getting married in a few weeks. So she is here today to talk all about pelvic pain, pelvic dysfunction, and all things related to pelvic floor. So Iāve had the pleasure of working with Kim for quite, maybe three or four years now. Yeah, because I had a powerlifter weightlifter referred, that was dealing with some back pain, also some pelvic issues. And weāve met a great referral source for one another back and forth and kind of complemented each other in the rehab process. And so to me, the pelvic floor space is something that is not completely unknown to me. But itās not something I treat on a regular basis, or really know all that much about how to treat, sometimes we will see these things in our email, can we be like, Hey, I have this could this be related? Could this be something to do with pelvic floor, and then I get these emails with all kinds of information, and then where I learned plenty, but then you get my assays back.
Brett Scott Ā 01:18
But thereās a lot that we see on our end is orthopedic PTS that people present symptoms with, where they could have groin pain, they could have low back pain. And sometimes these are the common things we see. And if youāre someone out there that has these things in theyāre not making sense, and theyāre not getting better. Theyāre not responding to PT, thereās a potential that you could have something else and when we have these conversations with patients about is there something else going on? Do you have issues with constipation, diarrhea, completely emptying yourself? Peeing yourself? Problems with erections for men out there? You know, incontinence? Thereās so many different things. Itās like, oh, yeah, actually, I have been dealing with these things that didnāt want to tell us. But these are all things that could be related to pelvic floor. And thereās a host of other things, too. Iām sure Iām not thinking of so my guest here. Kim is on to present some of those things for us. So, Kim, thanks for coming on. And tell us a little bit about yourself and your background in the pelvic floor space.
02:26
Yeah, thanks for having me. Um, so Iāve been a PT for six years. And Iāve been at the Pelvic Health and Rehabilitation Center in Lexington for the last four and thatās 2018 Four years ago is when I decided to specialize in pelvic health. So Iāve been a pelvic health specialist since then. So I really really love the education sphere of pelvic floor physical therapy. And so since 2018, Iāve been a guest lecturer at UMass Lowell as and I did prior to COVID at Mass College of Pharmacy and health sciences as well give their pelvic health lectures to their PT students. I am a clinical mentor. So I lead weekly discussion groups and answer you know, when some of the newer staff have questions about their cases, you know, I help kind of walk them through some of the complexities. Iāve been teaching assistant at a complex pelvic pain syndromes course. And neck two months from now, shortly after my wedding, I am going to Kenya with my company, as well as the Jackson Clinic Foundation and we are going to teach Kenyan physical therapists how to specialize in pelvic floor. So Iāve been keeping myself busy.
Brett Scott Ā 03:51
Yeah, sounds it so for everyone that doesnāt know Kim, she knows her stuff. And sheās someone that I trust all my patients within weāve sent plenty of patients back and forth. So you know, thereās a whole host of things I have to ask myself today and things I want to learn from this talk. So the first thing I think people need to know is what are like the big common misconceptions that are around pelvic PT so for me, the big ones are pelvic PT isnāt for men. I it only has to do with post pregnancy issues or peeing yourself. And, you know, Iāll just go there and theyāre gonna have me Duke eagles.
04:31
Yeah, so those are definitely three of the big ones. And unfortunately, you know, theyāre these misconceptions are very common, but they are just that they are misconceptions. And so, you know, talking about pelvic floor PT isnāt for men at our company. So we have two locations on the East Coast. We have one in Merrimack New Hampshire and one in Lexington mass, and we have eight in California. And we really specialize in the treatment of pelvic pain more. So the on pregnancy, postpartum are more you know any other of these subsets of pelvic floor PT. Now we see a lot of that stuff as well. But you know pelvic floor PT being for men company wide, we see about a 6040 split. So we do see a little bit more female patients than male patients at this point. But we see, almost half of my caseload is people who are born with a penis, and you know, absolutely also we see people, you know, transgender individuals, we see people you know, of all genders. And my big thing that I always say anyone with a pelvis can have pelvic floor dysfunction, right? Anyone who has a pelvic floor that functions can have pelvic floor dysfunction. So absolutely, itās not just for men. You know, thinking about pregnancy and postpartum you know, very personally speaking, this isnāt a company wide statistic, but probably 20, maybe 30% of my patient caseload is pregnant or within the first year of postpartum. So again, itās absolutely a thing that can happen to your pelvic floor, itās a thing that can cause pelvic floor dysfunction, but itās not all I see. And then theyāre just going to have me do key goals. I think weāre going to get into a lot more depth on this later in our chat. But know who you know, key goals are great key goals are really important in a very particular subset of folks with pelvic floor dysfunction. And so, you know, when you broaden that definition of you know, considering all my patients with chronic pain, considering my patients who are post op, considering my patients who have endometriosis or other you know, pelvic pain conditions, constipation, if youāre having an issue where your pelvic floor muscles arenāt relaxing effectively, to let something happen. And, you know, in my world that could be constipation, like not relaxing effectively to poop, or not relaxing effectively to allow for comfortable sexual penetration or a comfortable gynecological exam. key goals are the last thing you want to do in a patient like that, because itās going to take a tight muscle and make it tighter. And the other big misconception regarding key goals that I often see is in that patient subset who might benefit from key goals, right? If youāre, you know, itās not exclusively to postpartum women, but or weāre, you know, postpartum people, but in the patients who do benefit from key goals, there is so much more to my job than saying, Great, go do key goals, right? You know, thatās, you know, in the Ortho world, like saying, you sprained your ankle great, go strengthen your ankle. Like, no, you know, as a PT, okay, well, are we talking about strength, endurance, coordination, motor control? You know, are we looking at you, if you sprained your ankle? How would you run now? You know, itās so much of a bigger picture, when we talk about key goals. You know, are you leaking under a lot of pressure over a short time, like a cough or sneeze? Are you leaking when youāve been walking for half an hour, and now your pelvic floor endurance is poor, and your muscles canāt keep up with that demand? Are you leaking when you start adding a complex activity to that or you leaking in the middle of the night? You know, so, it really there is, is so much science and so much more specialization to this man. You know, if I just saw postpartum people who leaked, Iād probably be out of a job, I would see a much smaller client all than Iām really seeing. Yeah,
Brett Scott Ā 08:45
I think the other big thing that needs to be known by just about everyone, especially when I think itās 80 million of people, or more now have back pain. And this is why I sent my patient to you of, I had a patient that had some back pain had some groin pain and some hip pain. And mechanically, I didnāt find anything that really was reproducing her back pain symptoms, but she had this pain that was going and then she told me she had some issues with some endometriosis. And they went in and did a procedure to scan and look for things and they didnāt find anything. And then the next answer she got from the doctor was, well, weāre just gonna do a surgery. And I was like, hold on, letās letās not do surgery, just because we did it because we didnāt find anything. Letās just take it out. Maybe sometimes it is the answer, but I think people should look at well, letās not just look at structures but letās look at function to have is there just something Iām doing not as optimally as I could be in prevent something completely unnecessary and potentially that has a dangerous effects to it as well.
10:01
Absolutely. And specifically with endometriosis now, endometriosis, we believe affects one in 10 people who were born with vaginas, right? So we are learning so much more about it. But at the moment, the only gold standard way to effectively diagnose endometriosis is actually with surgery. So sometimes if you you know, want that diagnosis or thatās, you know, important to your treatment plan or in order to effectively remove the Endometriotic lesions. Sometimes, yes, surgery is absolutely necessary, but I definitely would the reason I say we believe itās one in 10, the actual rate might be much higher, because weāre not giving a laparoscopic surgery to any person who has the symptoms of endometriosis. You know, we it, itās something that weāre kind of working through, you know, very often these patients are treated with oral contraceptives to suppress the hormones that cause the pain associated with Endo, but we
Brett Scott Ā 11:06
Yeah, we we think the number is realistically much higher, but I often see patients who have unnecessary surgeries for so many other reasons. And yeah, this particular patient that we saw together, you know, there was a lot of other stuff going on. And even actually, without doing a pelvic floor exam, I was able to help you and a few other ways, in part thinking functionally but apart looking more closely at the groin, even externally, you know, there was a lot of other contributing factors there.
Brett Scott Ā 11:42
What other unnecessary surgeries or procedures do you see that people are potentially having done that might not need done?
11:51
Well, again, you know, endometriosis, laparoscopy is not an unnecessary surgery. Thatās the gold standard for diagnosing endometriosis. So that is a really important distinction to make. But, you know, I very often I donāt know how much I would say, unnecessary surgeries I see. But I would say that I see surgeries that I kind of wish the person had been to PT prior to surgery, rather than seeing me post op. A lot of times, this has to do with pelvic organ prolapse repair. Also inguinal hernia surgery. So someone who has an inguinal hernia, you know, very well may ultimately end up needing surgery. But if you can strengthen and support their pelvic floor, if you can support their transverse abdominus, they may be able to use their muscles effectively enough to reduce the urgency of a need for that surgery. You know, because very often I feel like patients are like, Iām in so much pain, I just need this surgery to make me feel better. And I think thereās so much conservatively, you know, both on the pelvic specific side and on just the general orthopedic side, that we can do. And you know, itās also fairly common to have complications post operatively, that can result in pelvic pain as an example, post hernia surgery is common to have an injury to the elbow, inguinal nerve, which can result in groin pain. So we absolutely, you know, I want people to not undergo surgery, when thereās stuff we maybe could do prior to surgery to help. And if we go through PT, and the patient isnāt meeting their goals, and we know that thereās this underlying structural thing, we say, Hey, okay, you know, maybe it is time for surgery, maybe you know, weāve done what we can and PT, maybe you should go and explore that Avenue, and then come back to us for post op rehab. Another example of which is surgery for pelvic organ prolapse. So you know, when someone has either a bladder sling or trans obturator, taped kind of support in Oregon, thatās descending in a way that it shouldnāt be. PT has been shown and pelvic floor PT to rehab prolapse up to one grade. And so we can do a lot to support a patient to improve their function, and to help their quality of life without having pain or discomfort associated with these conditions. And so I wish that a lot of people knew that this existed as an option because I canāt tell you how many times a patient of mine is like Iāve seen six other doctors. Iāve been in pain for five years, and youāre the first person whoās had any idea what Iām talking about. And I really, thatās whatās important to me is getting help for these people. And in a conservative way where hey, listen if surgery is down the road for you, okay? But I want to know that weāve explored all other conservative options because PT weāre not doing weāre changing your tissues. Weāre helping your A brain communicates your body better, weāre strengthening weāre supporting. But weāre not cutting, you know. And in that regard, I donāt feel like weāre doing anything that we canāt come back from, right? Like, if you do a surgery and you have scar tissue, you just have that scar tissue now, and There absolutely are interventions to minimize it. But weāre not changing the basic structure of those tissues, you know, weāre helping them function better.
Brett Scott Ā 15:25
Yep. One thing we see on on the orthopedic side a lot, then this can very well relate to pelvic floor dysfunction is herniated discs. Right. So itās like people peopleās first thought is, well, I have a bad I have a bad back, I have a herniated disc. And I need surgery to fix this. Because Iām in pain, because itās structural. And thatās just not the case. So when you come into PT, itās like, well, how did you end up with a herniated disc? Itās not that you just have a bad back, thereās been something going on that led up to this. And for us, itās like, one of the biggest things is, well, how well do you know how to brace your core? Can you stabilize it under different contexts or conditions, and most of them canāt, or they donāt do it as well as they need to for whatever activity or demand theyāre putting on themselves. So I teach my power lifters to brace much, much different than I teach a runner, but the same fundamentals come down to, we need the pelvic floor to work. And if it doesnāt, and you go have a surgery, and you go back, well, more discs can just further herniate. So letās fix the source of it first. And most of the time with herniations, even though theyāre structural, they can heal, they can resolve it, we can go back to a completely 100% pain free life without any surgery, and then get in go back to normal living. So
17:00
and, and speaking of that, too, so patients who so there was a study that showed 95% of patients that had lumbo pelvic pain, had pelvic floor dysfunction on exam and 83% had one or more pelvic floor conditions. So we really I think as an a whole need to be screening our orthopedic back pain cases for potential pelvic floor involvement, because itās incredibly common. And youāre right, if youāre not fixing the functional issue, you know, throughout the abdominal canister. So including, you know, I always with every patient, you know, if I just looked at the pelvic floor and didnāt think about, you know, the back the MultiFit eye, the transverse abdominus, the diaphragm, the posture, the movement strategies, Iād be missing a large part of that picture. And so I always assessing all of those things with, you know, every patient.
Brett Scott Ā 17:57
Yeah, and so for those out there that donāt have a full understanding of the pelvic floor, can you just touch upon how the pelvic floor can affect backpay?
18:09
Sure. So if you think about your abdomen as though itās a canister, or a can of soda, at the top of that can is your diaphragm, and at the bottom, and that can is your pelvic floor, wrapping around the walls is your transverse abdominus. And in the back is the MultiFit i in the back supporting musculature. So, you know, Iāll give a different example. And then Iāll kind of lead in, if I were to cut a hole in the sight of that can of soda. And then I shook up the can it would leak, right, if I were to pop a hole in the bottom or pop the top open and shake it up, it would leak. So thatās an easy way to understand how a certain type of pelvic floor dysfunction again, it gets much more nuanced than that, but can contribute to pelvic floor dysfunction, right? So now imagine if I had a can of soda and I were trying it were sealed and intact and everything was working beautifully and I canāt have soda and I were to crush the sides of the can, I really wouldnāt be able to deform that can it would keep its integrity because it has even pressure on all sides and it has appropriate support throughout. Now if I were to warp the can in different ways, right? So if you think about you know, a typical posture as pretty straight pretty upright. Now think about you know, either your, you know, 80 year old grandmother whoās really hunched forward and now your pelvis is tucked under your butt. Or think about you know, someone who has a significant arch in their back and theyāre sticking their booty out a little bit. Now youāve taken that can of soda and youāve twisted it or youāve angled it. Okay, that a makes the pelvic floor muscles have to work harder to To support you, because youāve changed the way that you maintain pressure throughout the rest of the can be as we as PTS know, muscles have an appropriate length tension relationship. So when a muscle is overstretched or over compressed, it doesnāt function as well as when itās at its appropriate resting state. So youāve changed some of that length tension relationship. Okay? So youāve basically put this can in its worst possible position, but itās holding everything together. Now something happens, you know, and you cough or you sneeze, or you know that one time I lifted that thing wrong. And now you have a back issue. Itās has a lot to do with how your pelvic floor muscles are supporting your pelvic organs and that abdominal canister, but it also has to do with your core with your back muscles with everything along the way. Does that answer your question? Well, yeah, I think thatās a bit of a tangent. Thatās
Brett Scott Ā 20:57
okay. We like tangents here. And then I think the other thing is the snowball effect that can have down the line of the other things that start to go wrong from that. So like, when I see patients, and they have these, like giant knots and trigger points in their glutes, and doctors and things like that. Iām like, whoo, okay, what, why is this here, so whatās going on there?
21:23
Yeah, thatās actually something else that I realized I, I should have included. So a really important way that a little more directly pelvic floor muscles contribute to back pain is referral patterns of trigger points. And so we can actually palpate and access, you know, hip muscles in the pelvic floor, piriformis and obturator internus. Or you can palpate, the proximal attachment internally, and trigger points, often in the pelvic floor, you know, in all of the muscles of the pelvic floor, almost all the muscles of the pelvic floor can refer pain to the back to the tailbone, to the hip to the groin, to these other external areas. So when a overworked muscle has now become tight and dysfunctional, and has these knots and these trigger points, you know, I very often can touch someoneās pelvic floor muscle internally and have them go like, Oh, my gosh, what was that you just cause my normal back pain? And thatās how we know really directly that the pelvic floor muscles are involved in that way, too.
Brett Scott Ā 22:29
And so when you say internally, what are you talking about, because I think Iāve sent some patients your way. And I think they went to one went to the Merrimack office because it was a little bit closer. But he came back. And he was not happy with me on the type of massage he got.
22:45
Itās not massage, itās manual therapy, right. So you know, as PTS weāre really not massaging patients. For the purposes youād go to, like, you know, a Massage Envy for right. But we do absolutely use our hands to make changes to muscles. And the only real way that we can access the deeper muscles of the pelvic floor is internally. And so we also do provide a handout to all of our patients that says, hey, this is what to expect when youāre coming in to a pelvic floor PT session. So we look externally, we look at, you know, core, you know, back, hips, everything externally. But yeah, when I say an internal exam, Iām assessing the muscles that live from your pubic bone to your tailbone, that support your bladder, your if youāre born with prostate, your prostate, if youāre born with the uterus, your uterus, and your anus. And so when people have vaginas, it means Iām putting a finger in their vagina. People have rectums means a button, a finger in the rectum. And first and foremost, we donāt do anything youāre not comfortable with. And definitely actually that patient who we shared. I never did an internal exam cuz she said, I donāt want that. And I said, Okay, that is absolutely your right and your bodily autonomy. But in order for me to feel whatās happening at that group of muscles, I have to feel them and they live internally. So I have to work internally.
Brett Scott Ā 24:11
Yeah, so something I think a lot of people donāt realize that they can get up there and do different things in there. And Iām not sure if this is true, but do you guys dry needle internally as well? Or some people can we can?
24:23
We can Yeah, and I do. I donāt do it often. Frankly. Iām more when Iām dry needling. Iām doing like hips adductors you know, external but pelvic girdle musculature. But absolutely, and I am trained in internal needling, I just I donāt use it very often. I feel like itās I feel more confident with my hands and my finger working internally and knowing where I am than a needle that I donāt have sensation through or perception through.
Brett Scott Ā 24:52
Sounds just sounds not not fun either to have a needle anywhere.
24:57
And thatās more you know, when you start to have that conversation with Patient youāre like, so hereās what I want to do. Yeah. Usually the the question is like, Is that necessary? Yeah, the answer is no, no, weāll, weāll do something else. Yeah.
Brett Scott Ā 25:09
And so what, what typically brings patients to this point of having pelvic floor dysfunction. So like, you know, for me, I know that pregnancy like a natural delivery and childbirth, weāll do some significant stretching of the muscles and structures of the pelvic floor. But for, you know, men that donāt have children and go through that, what are some contributing factors we see in kind of everyone across the board that can lead to pelvic floor dysfunction?
25:43
Right, so, when weāre talking about pelvic floor dysfunction in general, it could be you know, any number of really pelvic floor Yeah, it could be any anything really, more often than not my patients are of the itās the straw that broke the camelās back variety, rather than you know, I fell off my bike and I landed on my tailbone and it was never the same or you know, I had a baby and I had no other risk factors and I didnāt heal effectively, much more often, you know, as Iām kind of diving through my history and when Iām talking to any patient, Iām always asking about their urinary bowel sexual function. Iām always asking about pain. Iām always asking about you know, if they were pregnant, their pregnancy history if theyāre a man if they have any issues with their prostate, but you know, diving through each of those categories, some usually itās you know, history of yeast infections or UTIs. Constipation straining history of birth control us for prolonged periods of time can absolutely contribute to pelvic pain, surgeries. trauma. In men, prostatectomy surgery can absolutely cause pelvic floor dysfunction. menopause can be very often associated with pelvic floor dysfunction.
Brett Scott Ā 27:10
The list goes on. How does oral birth control cause pelvic floor dysfunction on females?
27:19
Yeah, so when the sorry, let me formulate my answer effectively. When we are on birth control, it affects our hormones, weāre flooded with synthetic hormones that mimic the job that our real hormones are supposed to do. And as a result, it increases something called sh PG, which is sex hormone binding globulin, which results in a decrease in free testosterone in our body. So humans, you know, cisgender women need to stop your own men need estrogen. Itās not exclusive to one gender. And so when thereās an increase in sh, PG, and some people are more prone to it than others, and thereās, I believe itās a genetic coding, I could be mistaken there, that predisposes someone to develop what we call vestibular Edenia. But pain of the vestibule or the opening of the pelvic floor, kind of where the internal vagina meets the external vulva. When youāre not getting the hormones that you need in that area, you can end up with pain, dysfunction, you know, all kinds of stuff. We have a great blog series on my companyās blog, which is pelvic pain rehab.com. All about the influence that birth control pills can have on pelvic floor function and pelvic pain and pain with sex specifically,
Brett Scott Ā 28:49
I did not know that was a risk factor for increasing pelvic floor dysfunction. So thatās an interesting one.
28:57
And itās the research is well accepted. Like itās definitely itās been around for a while, but itās still kind of making its way to the gynecologist of the world. So seeing a gynecologist who really is well versed in the pelvic pain sphere, and is up to date on this research is really important for patients of mine because they want to, you know, the, I think for so long, the birth control pill was just so widely prescribed because it was easy and accessible. We really wanted thereās a risk of stroke, thereās a risk of all kinds of health complications. And with any medication, you want the benefits to outweigh the risks. And so you always want to see a provider thatās really well informed and who can have those conversations with you in understanding you know, what the right choice for any individual and their medical health is?
Brett Scott Ā 29:44
Yeah, certainly. And itās interesting you say that because now Iām starting to see and hear, especially where I own a gym too. And we have a fair amount of younger to middle aged women now all coming off of birth control, not because theyāre are trying to get pregnant because just the side effects and what weāre kind of starting to see birth control is doing to people from all kinds of different perspectives. And absolutely, I should probably have someone on my podcast at some point to discuss all those risk rewards, too, that
30:18
I have some great names I can I can send you some. Yeah, thatād be great. I work with a lot of great professionals in this arena. Yeah,
Brett Scott Ā 30:25
for sure. Thatād be awesome. And so what are some ways are is do you have a stat at all of how many people encounter pelvic dysfunction at some point in their lives?
30:41
Yeah. So I want to disclaimer all of these stats by saying I think itās very underreported. I think for a lot of reasons. I think that people donāt like to talk about their pelvises, I think that itās hard to get access to health care and access to a health care professional whoās going to, you know, hear you and help you effectively and be in the know enough again, about the pelvic pain sphere that they can really treat you comprehensively and do something about it. I canāt tell you how many patients who have told me that their gynecologist told them to just relax and have a glass of wine. And thatās not a comprehensive medical treatment. But you know, the the commonly current accepted numbers are about 20 to 25% of people who are assigned female at birth or you know, women have pelvic pain, and two to 16% of men, but we actually suspect that that number is a lot higher because of, you know, this whole thing called chronic pelvic pain syndrome, which very often gets misdiagnosed. Just prostatitis. So I can talk about that a little more, if thatās okay.
Brett Scott Ā 31:50
Yeah, thatād be interesting. I want to hear more about that. Yeah.
31:53
So prostatitis. You know, itis is your inflammation of the, you know, so inflammation or irritation of the prostate is the most common reason that men go to a urologist. And thereās true prostatitis bacterial prostatitis is when thereās an infection in the prostate that is bacterial and itās causing these irritated symptoms of the prostate. But itās so thereās a subset thatās called nonbacterial prostatitis, which we call chronic pelvic pain syndrome. And itās estimated that 90% of prostatitis cases that go to a urologist are actually this chronic pelvic pain syndrome, which does not have a bacterial component. So leaves people go to their doctor, they say, Iām having prostate pain, there are pain with urination or, you know, urgency, hesitancy, you know, all kinds of symptoms. Their urologist, you know, doesnāt necessarily do a bacterial culture and they just say, oh, prostatitis go take antibiotics. They take the SPX and donāt really help, they go back and they see the infections back and they say, Oh, it must have come back and we go on these multiple multiple rounds of antibiotics that were for an infection that isnāt actually bacterial. It isnāt actually there. So the, the statistic is it takes about seven years for a man with chronic pelvic pain syndrome to get a proper diagnosis. And then treatment starts. So you know, he caught out call that 16% of men. Thatās not considering these all these people who are getting diagnosed with chronic bacterial prostatitis when they actually have nonbacterial prostatitis and associated pelvic floor dysfunction.
Brett Scott Ā 33:34
No, where should a man so if a man has pelvic pain down there, and they suspect something like, where do they start their their treatment journey? Where did they go first?
33:47
urologist can be wonderful. But again, seeing a urologist who really knows about pelvic pain because many of them donāt. Absolutely, I think a multidisciplinary approach is the right answer. So absolutely go see your urologist get ruled out for anything medical get ruled out for bacteria, but also see a pelvic floor PT, you know, I think that that is a really important associate associated provider and you know, Iām biased I am one but, you know, you just like you, you know, you want to see the right specialist for the right body system, right. You know, I canāt rule in or out a bacterial infection you you absolutely need a urologist to do that. Your ra ologists may not be as effective as a PT or Iād say arenāt as effective as a trained pelvic floor. Physical Therapists are ruling in a row pelvic floor muscle dysfunction, and you can have both happen at the same time.
Brett Scott Ā 34:44
And how does a non How does nonbacterial prostatitis occur like What are some common occurrences that happen that, you know, precede the onset of that
34:59
so When I see a patient who is presenting with that, theyāre usually telling me, you know, itās that same straw that broke the camelās back, they usually have a long standing history of constipation, maybe theyāre a powerlifter. Maybe they, you know, sit on the bike seat, maybe a triathlete whoās doing a lot of cycling. And basically, through, you know, they, maybe theyāre stressed, and theyāre clenching and guarding their pelvic floor muscles. But through kind of, you know, a long series of associated pelvic floor triggers, they end up with a pelvic floor that is too tight and isnāt relaxing effectively. Okay? When your pelvic floor muscles, especially what we call the Euro general triangle, so the muscles that support the base of the penis and men, the same muscle group in women surrounds the opening of the vagina, these muscles, if theyāre really tight, and they canāt relax, they can irritate the urethra by just mechanical compression, you know, theyāre causing an inflammation irritation locally, they can also have trigger points or knots in the muscles that are referring pain to the bladder, or referring pain to the urethra, they may not be able to relax those muscles effectively to get the pee out. And now theyāre saying they have hesitancy when they pee is that like, I stand at the toilet and nothing happens, you know. So all of these symptoms can mimic a true UTI.
Brett Scott Ā 36:26
Very interesting. And so we touched on to have people think just how or have this assumption that doing key goals can make them better when it actually sounds like what Iāve heard before too, is sometimes key goals can make certain peopleās people worse. And you need to be really careful about choosing that as the exercise prescription for yourself. Or if youāre working with someone and you donāt know much of as much about the pelvic floor. So are there ways to like classify and group people so like, what what, from what I know from talking to you a lot is we have people that can be hypertonic. So very much an increased tension on the muscles, theyāre not going to be muscles that can relax, they donāt want to be stretched, or we can be the other way of we can be hype, oh, weāre low. So low tone where they want to, they canāt contract a very relaxed, theyāre almost too relaxed to function properly. So up there. And this is more of one of the questions that I wanted to know more about is, how do we classify those things? And what did we see presented to us?
37:40
Yeah, so when Iām, if Iām narrowing into just the pelvic floor, you know, and again, my job, Iām looking so much externally as well. And functionally as well. When Iām talking about the hammock of actual pelvic floor musculature, it can I narrow down to one of three things and they can all you can have more than one at the same time. So itās either low tone, which is a weak pelvic floor, that is your, what everyone assumes is the postpartum need to do key goals. thing, you know, thereās no one diagnosed knowing a diagnosis is actually thereās no way if you just say someone is leaking urine when they cough or sneeze, they must have a blank, high tone, low tone, pelvic floor, you can have whatever symptom or diagnosis with either a high tone or low tone condition. But sorry, that was beside so low tone pelvic floor needs to be strengthened, that is a muscle thatās too weak to function. high tone pelvic floor is a muscle thatās too tight or too guarded, okay, so you can kind of have one or the other or you can even have may see very often, patients with high tone, like hip stabilizers, like patients with a trigger point in their obturator or patients with a trigger point in their performance or in their glutes, but who arenāt utilizing the superficial muscles that hold in their urine effectively, right? So you can have pain with running because your hip stabilizer has a trigger point, but also leakage of urine because your your general triangle is not working. Right? Right. So you can have kind of high tone, low tone or both. And then you have what I call motor control dysfunction. You can, you can engage, you can relax, but youāre not doing the right thing at the right time. So more often Iāll see someone whose primary high tone or primary low tone, who also has motor control deficit and we have to really, you know, I like shoulders is an analogy and I noticed as a podcast with audio not that not as many people are going to be watching the recording. But when we think about high tone, I think about that person has their shoulders height to their ears all the time. Right. And so if Iām that person I have my shoulders hiked up in my ears all the time and someone says shrug your shoulders. And I try and it goes nowhere, right? It looks like itās weak, it looks like I canāt execute the movement you asked me to do. And so if you go and put your hand on that personās shoulder and youāre like, Wow, your upper traps are lit, like you need to bring your shoulders down and relax. That is a really common presentation, I see in the pelvic floor where the muscles are so high tone and guarded and tight, that it almost looks like a weak pelvic floor, if you donāt actually ask them to try and relax or to downgrade, or to kind of assess the other side of that scale.
Brett Scott Ā 40:38
Interesting. So just so I can double clarify here to someone. So like the presentation we see. So as we talk with patients a lot is like the mobility, stability continuum, and kind of phenomenon of this interchange. So yeah, for people out there that have been patients of ours, in our clinic, we talk a lot about proximal stability gives you distal mobility, right. So if our core thatās supposed to be stable, is then we can be mobile at our hip, however. So basically, what weāre saying is the pelvic floor is still part of the core. And if we donāt have the right tone there, so if weāre, if weāre high tone, or dysfunctioning, with high tone in the pelvic floor, weāll see a lot of trigger points and stiffness through the hip the the internal external rotators of the hip. And in all those pieces. Yeah,
41:37
I was gonna say how much more proximal can you get than the pelvis? Right? Thatās where all of our load is transferred from, thatās where all of our stability comes from. Thatās such a major orthop orthopedic sight.
Brett Scott Ā 41:51
Now, will you see? Could someone with low tone through the pelvic floor also still have these trigger points and everything in like the hips and adductors and such?
42:03
Yes, generally less common. However, you know, somewhat often, weāll see patients whose basically, you know, the cookie, we all say it is your pelvic floor is not holding up its end of the bargain, right. So if your pelvic floor muscles arenāt supporting you, and theyāre too weak, now, youāre over engaging your hip stabilizers, youāre over squeezing your adductors. And your your core is not working effectively, you might be kind of all clench through the mid back and the low back, or if youāre not breathing effectively. So youāre gonna see trigger points in associated muscles of the dysfunction. And so, you know, this is why itās, Iām a manual therapist, you know, I really, I like working with my hands. And itās really important to what I do, but you know, I call it zoom in, zoom out, I zoom in, I look at the pelvic floor, I see what the dysfunction is there. But then I zoom out and look at your posture, how you move how you walk, because whatās going on in the neighborhood, like whatās going on in all of these other, you know, more distal muscle groups, because itās going to be the day is going to affect b and b is going to affect a
Brett Scott Ā 43:11
for sure. And I think the hardest part of this for anyone. So thereās, thereās really because as you said earlier, thereās no way for someone to truly like self diagnose or get an idea of what theyāre doing. Because you really need to kind of put your hands in there and figure out if itās high or low tone Correct.
43:31
Among other things,
Brett Scott Ā 43:32
depth in depth history taking and everything else. Yeah. Okay. And is there a point where people should start searching out treatment or when certain things happen? Because I definitely, as you said, I think things are much underreported. And thereās been a multitude of cases Iāve had where itās like, okay, things arenāt adding up. Letās ask her questions. And in especially men, more women more I have, especially all the women youāve sent me. We talk about, you know, urine, peeing pooping issues, they have pain in what they have with no problem where men are like, Why are you asking me this question? Theyāre very defensive about it. Sometimes itās like, itās okay. Yeah, Iām a medical provider. This is a safe space. But But this affects your care. So you need to tell me whatās going on down there. So
44:28
and like, Thank you, thank you for having these conversations. Thank you for normalizing these conversations. Because so often men, anyone, anyone of any gender, I canāt tell you, even women, how many people Iāve seen, I was like, Iām so embarrassed. Like, I donāt want to talk to you about this. And, you know, I think if you come to my office, you know that thatās what youāre in for, you know, pelvic is in the name, you know, weāre going to talk about your pelvic function. But I think I really want to see us as a society come a long way in normalizing talking About pee and poop and sacks and our our pelvises, you know, itās itās important to everything we do, and it can be a symptom of something bigger. So, you know, when should someone kind of start? I think we even having a conversation surrounding what normal function is, I think is a really important place to start, because so many people to come in and Iām like, Do you have any, that one of our, our intake form? Right, itās do you have any concerns about your urinary function? Do you have any concerns about your bowel function? Do you have any concerns about your sexual function? I still with every patient will say, Okay, I know you said you have no concerns about your bowel function. Iām just going to run through whatās normal. And you tell me if if this matches you? Great, awesome. See you later, we wonāt talk about your bowel function anymore. But more often than not, I start diving into the more of the specifics. And like, Oh, thatās not normal. Like no, you know, this is this is an associated symptom of pelvic floor dysfunction. If you send
Brett Scott Ā 46:02
me that youāll probably get patients. What theyāll question your level seamless. Oh, gosh.
46:13
I mean, I, Iām happy to talk about it. Right. Yeah, go
Brett Scott Ā 46:15
ahead. We should, we should, because I think a lot of people, and I, myself, I didnāt realize it. So I had, for two years, I was dealing with a parasitic infection. And I have all kinds of digestive issues. And as weāve talked about, on another podcast that I did with Wil Mills, a few months back, the like, you get the squat farts. And I knew something was wrong, but it was more food and digestive related than it was like pelvic floor, because if I ate like a very bland diet, it would all go away.
46:49
So SIBO. Also, SIBO is a fairly common small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, I have anything that affects our gut microbiome is going to affect our pain. I had a mild
Brett Scott Ā 46:58
form of SIBO as well. So that wasnāt fun. But once I got over that, I like it, because it happened so slowly. And gradually that symptoms came on that I kind of forgot what normal was. And once I got treated the right way for all these things, I was like, oh, yeah, thatās thatās how it was supposed to be. So go ahead and go through some of these things of what normal is. Yeah.
47:19
And that thatās a super common thing I hear a lot to have, like, once patients see me and they start to feel better. Theyāre like, I forgot, like pooping was supposed to be easy. Iām like, Yeah, because theyāve been dealing with this dysfunction for so long. So you know, the way that I usually kind of phrase it to patient, Iām like, urinary function. Alright, so tell me if this is you tell me if this isnāt. You go into the bathroom every two to four hours when youāre awake. Generally, you get an urge that comes on fairly appropriately, like, Hey, Iām gonna have to pee soon. All right, itās time for me to pee. You can hold your pee until that point in time that you can get to a bathroom. When youāre in the bathroom, you sit down, you pull your pants down, up, starts right away, comes out all at once. Thereās no pain, thereās no leakage. You feel like youāre totally empty. Your urine stream quality is normal, and youāre not power peeing or drip, drip dripping. You wipe you get up you leave. Thatās what should happen. And usually itās every two to four hours when youāre awake. Obviously, it depends on how much water youāre drinking, it depends on you know how much youāre sweating, youāre exercising a lot of other factors. And under the age of 65, if youāre waking up zero or once per night, thatās normal. If youāre over 65, we lose some bladder elasticity. So you might be waking up twice a night. And your bladder generally shouldnāt wake you to pee you if youāre waking besides maybe once a night, if youāre waking up four times a night to pee but youāre waking up because the cat jumped on the bed youāre waking up because your partner snore, youāre waking up you know for some other reason besides your bladder, itās less indicative of a pelvic floor issue. So thatās kind of normal urinary function. normal bowel function follows a similar what happens when youāre in the bathroom, you know, you go to the bathroom when you get nervous. The urge comes on fairly appropriately, Iāll say you know, well, Iām gonna have to poop soon. Okay, time to boot. You can make it to the bathroom a time youāre not having trouble holding in your gas or holding in your bowel movements. bowel movements are soft and formed, generally happening once a day, but normal values it could be once every three days. It could be three times a day. And thatās just different per human. Youāre not pushing youāre straining me set. It comes out you get up you leave. Youāre good until the next time you have to go to work to write Yes, you wait, you said youāve already wipe you get up. You shouldnāt excessively wipe you shouldnāt feel like you know you have to wipe and wipe and wipe forever. In order to be clean, you should feel relatively clean, no bleeding, no hemorrhoids, no filters, and then normal sexual function. You know I leave it a lot more general I just say you can have sex in whatever way you want to without pain. and do so effectively, you know, and because that sex looks so different per human. And, and kind of we go from there,
Brett Scott Ā 50:09
um, anything else there for normalcy
50:17
thatās the majority of if Iām forgetting something, I might be forgetting something, but thatās the majority of it. And you shouldnāt have groin pain or, you know, you should. Pain is a really big
Brett Scott Ā 50:28
one to know, I want to go back for a second to what you just mentioned. So in the powerlifting world that I live in, Iāve seen plenty of people get hemorrhoids. And Iāve heard a couple of people getting fissures. And, and thereās this term of people, as they call it, blow in an O ring on squats. So that and I think the hemorrhoids thing, and the fissures thing is something that people just kind of accept as like, Oh, I just have this thing like I genetically, Iām getting hemorrhoids for, you know, some random reason. Iām just bad luck. Like I got the short end of the stick. But there could be reason to it to correct.
51:14
Oh, God. Yes. Yes. I think itās, itās, Iād say the the opposite of like, oh, yeah, sometimes it just happens. But there could be a reason Iād be like, thereās a reason like, thereās almost always a reason. And, you know, people might have like an underlying this is, again, a multidisciplinary treatment. If you have a SIBO, or a parasite, thatās going to affect your stool consistency. And thatās going to affect how you wipe how you strain how you push, and that can cause a fissure, right? But absolutely, like thereās either if weāre talking about squats and lifting you if youāre lifting with bad form, if youāre holding your breath, and youāre really Val salving, youāre asking your pelvic floor to support you more than itās capable of doing. And thatās when you, you know, blow an O ring, thatās when you lose support and your pelvic floor is because your muscles tried as hard as they could to hold everything together, and you just asked way too much of them and you lost you compromise that pressure in your abdomen now. And thatās what a hemorrhoid is a hammer. It is a prolapsed blood vessel. So youāre straining so hard that youāre causing a blood vessel to kind of descend into the rectal cavity where itās not meant to be itās meant to be in the walls of the rectum?
Brett Scott Ā 52:33
Yeah. And so are, are you saying that just by powerlifting, and doing some of these strength type sports, weāre likely to get them or
52:47
itās a risk factor. But if you are lifting safely and with good form, you can absolutely lift, you know, very effectively, very safely at very high weights and not have any of these issues. But, you know, I think, you know, in in your world, you know, this form is so critical. And I see patients who are power lifters fairly often, but I see them, you know, when theyāre not supporting their bodies, you know, when theyāre not training, when theyāre not training appropriately, or if theyāre, you know, progressing their weights very quickly, and, you know, holding their breath and straining, and, you know, not doing it effective. So
Brett Scott Ā 53:26
youāre not saying that just because some because Valsalva is a technique we use in powerlifting. So are you saying that doing a Valsalva will cause it or just if weāre not supported in the right way that it could potentially cause it?
53:42
If youāre not supported in the right way, it could absolutely potentially cause
Brett Scott Ā 53:46
Okay, and so this brings up another thing that kind of blends us back into the orthopedic world where my my colleague will Melās there had brought this up, and it was an interesting concept to hear from a pelvic therapist, and I want to go through it with you. Because you mentioned bad form, and something that I donāt know how much pain science you guys do in your worlds of dealing with things but on our side of communicating with patients that thing itās like we donāt want to say itās bad because we we donāt really have anything that says one is better than the other or that if you do this, youāre gonna get hurt because a lot of the research is coming out now saying, well, people arenāt herniated discs if their volume and load is good, and we can flex our spine up to 80% and be fine. But but we still donāt have any evidence that says itās good for you. Right and thereās this whole thing out here now have formed doesnāt matter technique and biomechanics donāt matter. And a lot of strength coaches and even PTS are getting on this. This train of just keep loading it you loaded. If itās, even if itās painful, we can keep loading it. And itās like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And Iām fair fairly much a stickler for technique and form. Because thereās a huge technical aspect to a lot of these things that we want to do good. And for us we are, I know from what I do know and think thatās, well, if we could do it better, letās just do it better. Letās not just do whatever we feel comfortable with. Even though we say might not be bad, we donāt know if itās good yet. So when weāre talking about that, I just want to hear your perspective on that as far as like, technique and inform and certain ways to do things with training. Yeah, so that was a rant?
55:47
Iāll, no, thatās great. I mean, Iāll be honest, that this isnāt as much of my area of specialization, and this is why we share patients, because Iām like, Great, now your pelvic floor dysfunctions largely resolved, you should go see Brett to get back into powerlifting. Because, you know, I know, this is the area of youāve chosen to specialize in my, we do a lot of pain science. But I havenāt heard as much about, you know, that. And I guess Iāll clarify, when I, when I guess when I said bad form, I was thinking sub optimal for the individual form, you know, and that doesnāt inherently mean that if they are hinging at the hips, or arenāt hinging at the hips, or are using your, you know, more of your torso versus whatever, you know, I think every human might have a different variation of where theyāre going to have their optimal body mechanics. So Iām not trying to make everyone fit this mold of like, perfect technique, or perfect form. But I am trying in my thought process. And again, if there is new science out there, Iām sorry, if Iām not as aware of it, but Iām optimizing how one goes about the tasks that theyāre trying to go about, in order to make their function. And that may look different for each person.
Brett Scott Ā 57:07
But I donāt hate that you said bad form, because as Will said, you know, thereās all these coaches saying, oh, and I do believe everyone has different, different things that are wrong with them. And we need to kind of support and facilitate those things. However, thereās this crowd that like, you canāt say bad, you canāt say this, like, everything has to be positive, and anyone can do whatever they want, and weāre just gonna allow them to get better. Or itās like talking to will, and you itās like, if you do it wrong, you could pee yourself, you could poop, you could do any of these things. So there is this comes back to like, getting out of pain science, and into biomechanics, and bracing, and all these things still do matter.
57:53
Ya know, and, you know, itās, itās a really immediate, like, something like being yourself or pooping yourself or blown and Oh, right. Like, itās a really immediate form of feedback that, hey, youāre, you did this and something bad happened? You know, itās like, I imagine a similar equivalent, and in your world, itās like, well, yeah, youāre, you can like, roll your ankle as you run. And letās just keep loading that ankle, like, you know, yes, you do want to keep running it, but like, thatās not running and rolling on your ankle is an optimal form of running. Right, youāre, youāre going to injure yourself that way. So, you know, I Iād have to, you know, again, certainly dig into the literature. You know, I understand Iām, Iām not informed on that. But no, I definitely everything Iāve been aware of so far. You know, if youāre leaking when youāre doing something, youāre putting your pelvic floor under more pressure than itās comfortable here. And there, there is something that, you know, and Iāve very recently heard about this, and something Iām continuing to look into myself, but itās the thought process of so diathesis RekSai. Itās a separation of your abdominal muscles. So you think of your six pack and you have like two halves of your six pack. Thereās a connective tissue that holds those two halves together. So what we used to believe was that if you have a separation of that muscle, you canāt do a sit up ever again for the rest of your life, like Nope, you canāt load that muscle, you canāt live that tissue thatās bad for it, thatās going to hurt you. What weāre learning so much more of is you absolutely can and should load that tissue. If thereās no pain, if thereās no leakage, if you can support with the rest of the supporting musculature, effectively, we donāt want to promote fear avoidance. We donāt want to promote someone not doing so. And this ties back into the pain science. We donāt want to tell people they canāt or shouldnāt or will hurt themselves if they do X activity. But I also think that we shouldnāt be to teaching people you know, to run on the sides of our ankles, rather than on the soles of our feet, you know, like,
Brett Scott Ā 1:00:05
it just it all goes back to, itās like, thereās all this stuff thatās accepting. Thereās this whole side of pain sides, just like keep loading it biomechanics donāt really matter that much unless youāre loading at complete end range. But then itās like, well, if weāre doing this and putting the pelvic floor in the abdomen in a position that just doesnāt flow with the, you know, the way the body wants to work in a position thatās optimal for it. And then some of what Iāve started with the DNS system in dynamic, or what we call dynamic neuromuscular stabilization, thereās a way the body will perform better when itās in certain positions. And when it feels stable, it can be mobile, and but if we just start going into like all these, like, you know, big extended type positions thereās a lot of athletes already do. And we keep perpetuating that we could be creating a pelvic floor dysfunction, which could lead to a whole host of other issues. And I just think in the world of biomechanics, versus pain, science, pain, science hasnāt caught on to that with biomechanics, yet of oops, we forgot about this. So itās just an interesting paradox weāre kind of in right now of because pelvic floor is still fairly new to the world to have people donāt donāt know you guys exist. I talk about you guys all the time. Like, what? They see what they put needles up there. So itās just,
1:01:35
yeah, I mean, I canāt tell you how many patients Iām like, Iāve been in pain for for 30 years. And no one mentioned this. Iām like, because 30 years ago, we were just figuring it out, you know, just,
Brett Scott Ā 1:01:45
itās very interesting. And so anyway, anything else youād have to add on? Like, the powerlifting? Mechanics, stuff like that? Or weightlifting? And? Yeah, I donāt know.
1:02:01
My facetious answer is, thatās what I send them to you for. But no, seriously, I mean, the pelvic floor is, you know, the, the crux of our stability, itās, itās where all of our load is transferred from, you know, so taking care of your pelvic floor, especially if thereās an underlying dysfunction, weāll help you get more out of your powerlifting. You can gentle with, you know, and this is more of a study, Iām going to quote that was about posture. But with better posture, you can get in more effective pelvic floor contraction, you have reduced leakage, you have better strength, you have better ability to lift. And so you know, looking at the whole pelvic girdle, and the pelvic floor is part of that is going to help you in all areas of your life, especially something thatās as physically demanding as Yeah, for
Brett Scott Ā 1:02:47
sure. So thatās good to know. And so for people thinking about this, and maybe hearing this episode now, are there certain credentials people should look for in a pelvic floor? PT?
1:03:07
Yeah, so there are two kind of special T credentials out there. And one of them is P R. P. C, pelvic rehab. Pa, PC, pelvic rehab, certified practitioner,
Brett Scott Ā 1:03:28
weāll double check it and then weāll put it in the show notes. Yeah,
1:03:31
Iāll double check it and Iāll add it. Yeah, weāll put it in post. But um, the other one is the WCS, the Womenās Health certified specialists, which I believe theyāre changing because the APTA the American Physical Therapy Association, Chapter used to be the Womenās Health Division, and Iām actually really happy that theyāve changed it to the Academy of pelvic health. So those are two kind of credentials that one might have. But you know, really working on a PT who specializes in pain. So Iām not sure if you guys have talked about this in other episodes or in your world, but as much as credentials are great, you know, the, thereās no, thereās i The main incentive to go get a certification or specialization is your own professional development and education. We donāt get paid more money for having those credentials or, you know, have any other professional recognition besides by people who know what those credentials are. So Iāll say those. One thing I hope that pelvic health providers will move towards is more standardization of training. Because you can be call yourself a pelvic floor PT if you take pelvic floor one on one. You can call yourself a pelvic floor PT if you know like, my bosses have been leading experts in the field for 20 years and unless you go get one of these specific certifications, which doesnāt necessary really indicate your ability to treat pain versus, you know, incontinence versus whatever. Itās, itās more of kind of a well rounded specialization. You know, there, itās hard to find a really good provider whoās well versed in your condition. So, you know, reading reviews, calling people and saying, Hey, do you treat men? Do you? Do you see, you know, this kind of world is actually, you know, as kind of annoying as that is, I think that thatās a really good way to kind of that your pelvic floor PT. More, in addition to those certifications that exist,
Brett Scott Ā 1:05:37
and so what about the practice you work out? Is there a difference between going to pelvic pain and rehab versus, like, traditional PT clinic or like in network clinic, even if they do do pelvic rehab?
1:05:56
Yeah, so we at the Pelvic Health and Rehabilitation Center, really, we specialize in chronic pelvic pain, thatās what we do. And so insurance is really tough for any pelvic health provider. Because of the way that reimbursement is structured, you know, things that tend to help our patients specifically in the pelvic floor will get better is one on one hands on care, you know, itās harder for me to assess someoneās pelvic floor and have them on the other side of a gym. So we really canāt treat two people at the same time, or I wouldnāt want to be treated by a pelvic floor PT at the same time, as theyāre treating someone else, I really want them in the room with me, giving me their full attention. And because of in large part, the way that we structure, you know, weāre we donāt take insurance, we are cash based, it gives us the freedom a to not worry about what insurance companies are going to dictate that we can do with our treatments, right? We donāt have to say, well, I get 12 sessions with you, and then your insurance is gonna kick you out. So if youāre not better in that time, good luck, you know. And in part, it gives us the freedom over like the duration of visits to say, what do I really think is going to help this patient most effectively. So sometimes, that means I only want to see you for half an hour, sometimes that means Iām seeing you for an hour, because I have a lot that I want to teach you and do with you. In addition, just my company and presents insurance versus non insurance of pelvic floor PT, my company in particular, you know, met many people in my company, Stephanie Prendergast, one of the CO owners and co founders was, you know, the president of the International pelvic pain society. You know, both of my bosses was a controller, and also Steph Prendergast have lectured internationally, they are leading experts in the pelvic pain field, and they really work with all of us as employees to develop our skills in this area, we have continuing education all the time. Weāre writing weekly blog articles, I definitely encourage if anyone is interested in learning more about pelvic health, our blog is a really great resource. And itās pelvic pain rehab.com/blog. We write articles about all of it, you know, so we always are having various guest lectures, you know, you heard at the beginning, I give lots of lectures. So we keep really up to date on the current evidence. And weāre really tapped into the network, especially of pain providers.
Brett Scott Ā 1:08:28
And as, as you guys all heard, so if you if youāre listening to my podcast, youāre probably interested in barbells, and weightlifting, and everything else. And after hearing this, Kimās the go to girl, and, you know, me and her have been able to coach her in a lot of cases, and weāre coming out and looking from different scopes. But itās been very fun to kind of go back and forth in CO treat, and some sense of, weāre working towards the same goal for these people. Weāre just focusing on different different parts of them. So if anyone doesnāt like me and doesnāt want to start with me, go see him. And So Kim, if anyone has questions for you, where can they find you?
1:09:12
So me specifically, Iām at the Pelvic Health and Rehab Center in Lexington. You know, our social media handle is at pelvic health. So thatās on like Instagram, and you know, all of the resources. We do a ton of stuff on YouTube. You know, itās at pelvic health, we have tick tock at pelvic health. So you know, all those areas.
Brett Scott Ā 1:09:32
Thanks for coming on. And anything else youād like to add before we end the show here.
1:09:40
Thank you for having me. And this has been great and I really appreciate co treating with you and also the opportunity to come on the podcast. And you know, if you have pelvic floor dysfunction, youāre not alone. Or if you think you have pelvic floor dysfunction. Go get it checked. You know, if thereās nothing going on, weāll tell you great. You have a happy healthy pelvis. And if there is weāll fix it so we can get you back to the lab.
Brett Scott Ā 1:10:03
So just to add to that a little bit, Iād like to say, more more and more PTS are becoming more and more aware of how much pelvic PT can help individuals and having these pre screening conversations of what is your pee? Like, what is your poop? Like? How are your erections? All these are just normal conversations with us. So donāt feel like you canāt have them or youāre going to be embarrassed by them. Because we are medical providers. And as much as I like to joke around and have fun in the clinic, I can put my serious face on and have these conversations about how are we going to help you get out of this and get better? So
1:10:40
absolutely, yeah. Donāt you know, donāt donāt let embarrassment about talking about some of these things limit you from getting treatment, because it can get better. You know, and absolutely, you know, thereās a lot we can do. But we canāt do anything if you donāt ask or if you donāt show up at our office.
Brett Scott Ā 1:10:57
So anyways, thanks everyone for listening in and the next couple of weeks would have a few more guests coming on. So I have stuff out and coming on for ACL tears and return to sport. In the next few weeks. I have Dr. Ron McLean coming on. Whoās been on mind pump radio, about hormone optimization for men and for males and females. And I also have Dr. Scott Sigmund coming on about laser treatment and some shoulder in knee surgeries. Heās a surgeon at Lowell general. So thanks for listening to everyone and hope to have you back next time.